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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode 104 for the 15th of October 2010

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Richard Saunders here with you once

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again on this week's show report I run

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so give talks to Roy Zimmerman one of

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our tam eight interviews following that

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we have an update from the Australian

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vaccination network what are those

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loonies up to this week well they're not

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happy they are not happy indeed looks

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like they're about to lose or in fact

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they have lost their charity license

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we're going to play you a special report

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from ABC television all about that after

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the Zimmerman interview and to round off

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the show we have a well an unusual time

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Maynard and I went to six bow yes the

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six show the sex exhibition exhibition

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whatever you want to call it retailers

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are offering their wares all sorts of

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things on sale and display and all sorts

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of things on display but my interest was

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in some of the different aspects to

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Sexpo and that is a breast cancer

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awareness and some new-age things going

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on now bear in mind when you hear my

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report and I'm trying out some of these

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are new age dare I say balance type

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things that I didn't want to make a fuss

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I didn't want to remonstrate or call

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people out I simply wanted to hear what

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they had to say when selling their

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product so bear that in mind when you

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listen to my report oh well sit back

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have a nice bowl of lovely vanilla

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God made the world in seven days well

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that's one week to be specific now

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that's what I call scientific say I

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luhya singing praise 4042 bc on Monday

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August 27 he made the earth and sky Rory

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thank you very much for being on the

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skeptics out my pleasure can you tell me

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how you started as a musician well I did

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I can't even remember because I grew up

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in a musical family my mom teaches piano

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and my you know my dad was musical too

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so would be getting playing and writing

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songs very early age and then you know

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in high school I started writing songs

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and earnest and you know so I guess

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there was no beginning there was no

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chicken or an egg music has always been

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there yeah and you said you mentioned

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you saw the writing her own songs in

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high school does that always lyrics in

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and music yeah and pretty much always

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funny songs I mean as soon as i started

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writing them that's kind of how they

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came out you know and i was fascinated

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already with Tom Lehrer you know and and

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at that time Martin Mull and some of

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these other people who are doing funny

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songs that's that's how I'm built you

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know and where the songs always

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political know at first they were just

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silly you know anything to get a laugh

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kind of songs and it wasn't until I sort

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of developed my own political

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consciousness later on that they started

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veering in that direction and do you

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have a target audience for your

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political sons because I'm just thinking

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you know I've been listening to songs

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basically since you came out on youtube

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because that somebody sent me a link and

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started listening then and I've never

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stopped and the thing is that I can see

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how liberal socially liberal maybe

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skeptically minded people would

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certainly buy in very easily and very

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quickly i'm just wondering whether you

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target audiences may be a little bit

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pradhan well oh yeah my target audience

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in terms of who i'm trying to talk to

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you know I'm trying to be part of the

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conversation there's a conversation

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going on all the time in America you

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know and and worldwide for that matter

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you know about issues of importance but

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the political issues are social issues

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or you know the things that we care

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about right so I'm I'm you know if that

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means I'm talking to everybody at once I

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don't know but but I'm trying to I'm

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contribute to that conversation but I

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find that a lot of the people who do

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latch on of my songs come from the sort

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of skeptics free-thinking Center for

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atheists certainly side of the side of

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things I wonder why that happens but but

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actually i'm just wondering your songs

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up humorist satirical very often

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sarcastic i'm thinking about something

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like the song that keeps writing writing

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itself you know you said Ted Ted Haggard

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is completely asexual and is the insert

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name here basically yes if you look at

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that sentence by itself nicely anybody

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can buy into that yeah yeah yeah but

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such a SATA often can go over the head

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of the people which it which it's aimed

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i'm just wondering whether you seeing

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some of it can definitely yeah because

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of course the whole point you're what

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you're alluding to is that the whole

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point of satires is that is just to

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state vehemently the position that you

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disagree with most you know and by

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stating it so vehemently you point out

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its absurdities and you know rite of

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them being professorial about it but

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that's that's the whole idea you pay

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make people laugh at it and then

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therefore reexamine it right okay so and

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you know as a for instance Ted Haggard

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has heard that song yes I have a little

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quote on my website what did he say

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about the song it's uh it's bad I mean

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it's funny but it's not how did he say

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it have to go to my website and fight I

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have to go research that or something

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but you know he has a little quote about

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that yeah how they went over his head

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definitely but but there's a kind of

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understanding of what but what about the

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kind of people in real America would

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they get it I I'm obviously you seeing

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my face now saying real America yeah yes

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I see is exactly if your point in

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bayview point is taken up would they

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would they get it I don't know you know

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the people I've met in in quote real

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America you know all across America are

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beautiful progressive people what I do

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is show and you know in a given town is

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not going to be a lot of the hay bale

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and teyla nieces who come out to the

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show it's going to it's going to be the

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critical thinking people in town it's

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going to be the Unitarians it's going to

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see the LGBT group it's going to you

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justice coalition or it's going to be

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those people who come to see the show in

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the first place so there's a pre-sorted

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sort of audience that's going to latch

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onto these songs anyway but you can you

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tell it tell the audience about the your

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travels your 50 states or 40 hits 10

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two thousand eight election I made a

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campaign promise to perform in all 50

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states and i would put quotes are on

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campaign promise because you know i

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really didn't intend to make all 50 but

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height of gas prices and the the idea

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hinterlands and get to the red states

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know my songs already that was pretty

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cool the youtube thing just as a globe

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digress that started with the

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performance in front of the chemin

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skeptic system yeah the i did i did his

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skeptics conference now four years ago I

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science 101 and a couple of the other

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songs I defenders of marriage I think

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that conference you know that at Cal

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California so I'm performing in front of

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a blackboard in my suit and tie you know

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right so my first comments were like

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teach you know I got it right a lot of

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people have mistook me for for professor

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yeah and that that's really changed

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things so he hasn't hit all that well

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you know yeah yeah yeah because that

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song creation science 101 got to PZ

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Myers and PZ Myers reposted it and I

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his blog and of course that that you

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somehow that word got back to the

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YouTube people and they put it on the

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front page and you know it exploded

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after that you know it was just a I had

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all I had lots of lots of views that I

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never imagined wow so this kept t'kul

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community can make a difference to a

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person's life I I'll tell you a story

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about that you know first of all there's

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lots of comments on that song you go to

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that that song on youtube in the comment

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section rages on it still goes you know

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right and it's not from people who are

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necessarily interested in the song or me

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is people who are who are vehement about

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the issue itself I want to duke it out

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on my site basically right that's cool

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because every time they hit on it they

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get i get another hit off of that there

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too I'm all for that and there was one

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guy who posted a song that he'd written

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an original song in response to my song

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and it was about about intelligent

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design and how he was trying to set me

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straight it was a little condescending I

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must say but it was clever of a clever

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little song setting me straight about

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the thing he used in one song he used

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the phrase something volition what was

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it absolute volition it was like a

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seminarians kind of phrase for you know

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for very intelligent design something

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volition this must be the result of you

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know right and then the next line he

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said something like gorilla dung or

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something he had like I'm sorry I did

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write him back and I said I congratulate

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you on your breath of lyrical you know

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right you know because there to work

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those two ideas into what's on ya and so

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I engaged him a little bit like that a

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couple of months later he wrote back and

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he said he said you've changed my mind

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well I mean that never happens and it's

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certainly not what I'm after I'm not

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trying trying to change anybody's mind

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but it's really pretty cool that he

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would examine that and then bike by like

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writing me back and forth and kind of

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examining the ideas you know he was a

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young guy and he was like for me as

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ideas about the thing and says you

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changed my mind you know maybe because

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he weren't actually being professorial

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maybe because of the humerus attitude

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I take a little bit of a bend look at it

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that it allows people to kind of come

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around the corner with me although I

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suppose some people could feel that

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they're actually being attacked you know

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snarkiness can have all kinds of effects

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on people yeah yeah just speaking about

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the skeptical community and its effect

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on vista did you consider yourself a

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skeptic is that something good in terms

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of labels or the way you see yourself

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I'm just wondering well a critical

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thinker certainly yeah you know yeah and

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and and in in terms of like the James

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Reddy's fountain foundations work and

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all that's just the debunking of

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ridiculous myths and the throwing away

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of the of the the what do you say the

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sheet that covers I don't know anyone

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ever revealing their like the sunlight

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that dear lovely shine on things you

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know yes I hope I'm doing the same sort

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of work I mean I hope that's why my

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songs resonate here you know so yes I

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guess I would call myself a skeptic not

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an atheist I would not say I'm an

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atheist and many atheists friends you

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know and and but there are too many too

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many mysteries for me to be that certain

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that I think there's a bit of a

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misconception here atheist is simply

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somebody who does not believe in God

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right so it's I always say that atheist

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is not a position it's the lack of a

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position yeah in a sense I just don't

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believe in God yeah let's move on to the

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next topic yeah exactly but there is I

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understand that in the public perception

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there is a bit of an atheist to somebody

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who is sure that there is no God that's

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right but NESN is evangelical about that

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yeah right that's actually only only

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been true that that sense of atheists

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has only been true in the last few years

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since you know the New Atheists came

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around huh but really it is just that's

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what it means it means the lack of

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belief in God so right a lot of the

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songs that you write out about religion

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so or about religious figure

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at least I you know for example I just

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noted to myself you know obviously

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creation science which you've mentioned

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it I think that was the first song that

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of yours that I actually saw in abstain

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with me which is really great Oh Ted

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Haggard are you saying that you're not

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an atheist I'm just wondering about why

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is it that religion is treated by your

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songs that often well there's the idea

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is to puncture holes in power to write

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you know and and there's political power

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so I certainly take my pot shots at

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political figures and issue in issues

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too but so much power is concentrated in

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religious belief and so much hypocrisy

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ridiculous assured this about things

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that have their there's no proof and

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right there's a lot to write about that

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I guess that's that's what you'd say

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it's not just that they're easy targets

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they are but it's not just that it's not

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just that I'm lazy well but if there are

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easy targets in you know with political

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power then why not yeah why not exactly

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right now your positions by Australian

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standards are pretty mainstream haha I

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don't know here you're considered to be

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a lefty I'm wondering what it is like to

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be a lefty in America it's not it's not

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even you mentioned in the show last

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night that you live in an area that's

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very liberal that puts the blue in the

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blue state and right but still I mean

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you roam around and you do encounter

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other people people with different

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opinions how does that feel what kind of

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responses do you get how do you feel

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about it personally well it isn't first

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of all I'll say that it is it's very

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interesting that that America is such a

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conservative place you know when I do

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hear about about the political scene

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elsewhere in the world and you know in a

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lot of Europe and so forth to its its it

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can be disheartening at times that were

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were were such a huge country with such

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a huge potential for good and

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and for intelligence and creativity and

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beauty and a lot of that gets polluted

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and and manipulated by small-minded

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short thinking people praying on fear

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and all that you know that that's where

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that that conservative side of things

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you know comes in to so that can I mean

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that can be dull it'll daunting I'll put

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it that way as I travel across the

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country to and I just see evidence of

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people giving themselves over to these

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ridiculous you know first great notions

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of what life should be right but but

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then I did I meet these people who are

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doing the doing the kind of work that

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that i'm talking about standing on

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street corners are doing you know an

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anti-war vigil every friday or six years

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you know and getting tomato too because

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of it and stuff right you know i go well

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there's that gives me heart than to

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because there are people who really are

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not you know subscribing to this and do

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you get any hostility of anyone now

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hostility uh yeah you know so I you know

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as I say some I don't often play a just

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a public open event you know with its it

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does happen but I don't often do that

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and when I do that that I know I do get

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my you know some some fingers and I get

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some comments and so forth to but more

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often than that people say you know I

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disagreed with everything you said but I

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laughed anyway I love that comment and

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then I get that much more often than I

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get somebody who's saying you know get a

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job or when I saw some stupid thing

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right that's somebody out of a job it's

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time to from somebody else that I got

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yours man many topics that you're

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thinking about right now things are

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trouble you about current America but

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maybe about the economic situation and

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all that things that you that are in

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your mind preying on your on your

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thoughts at the moment that you are

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writing songs about all thinking about

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writing a song about in the future yeah

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cuz some of my songs have longer legs I

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hope then then I

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the saws the songs that are about

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particular issues or particular people

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tend tend to fade you know right George

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recurs is completely heterosexual who's

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going to remember that in a year

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hopefully nobody anyway you know right

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is going to be you're going to have his

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little flash Japan but but there are

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songs then about how we look at the

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world and then how we form our opinions

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and and the general decline of America

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that's what's on my mind really is the

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decline of America and you know which is

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inevitable it's not just me saying this

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you know there's a lot lots of

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sociologists who are saying you know

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that you know there's going to be a rise

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and fall and just naturally there is and

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and I think we're we're beginning our

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from a place where our potential can

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actually manifest good in the world to a

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place where we're just trying to hang on

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do you think do you think that has to do

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with the social attitudes the you have a

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song called socialist yes Sally's

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actually shows that it's got its got to

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do with perception it's got nothing to

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do with real policy right i mean the

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most right-wing presidents are the one

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who putting the most left-wing socialist

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policy right in place or activities do

442
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you think the social attitudes is what

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leads to that fall or that decline i

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think that i think the socialites you

445
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more follows it then leads it i think

446
00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:06,059
first of all that it is just a natural

447
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phenomenon the rise and fall and all and

448
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certain institutions get calcified and

449
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you know certainly the US Congress is

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one of those yes and things stop

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happening it becomes more about itself

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than it becomes about doing and doing

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any kind of work and we're totally

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seeing that happen and a guy like Obama

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can be elected on hope and change and

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you know and truly inspire hope for real

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change but then he gets into the office

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and he's the guy who holds that office

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it's that office you know that's that's

460
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become calcified and there's only so

461
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many not now he's feed her and cement

462
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what's he going to do yes but then he's

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he's trying to put in some change and

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then he's a socialist yeah that he's a

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socialist you know right you know for

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for wanting

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you know babies to have health care you

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know you makes you scratch your head see

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ya peoples like protesting health care

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reform we can't have that and they're

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out there with their babies they're out

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there on the speaker with their babies

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protesting health care reform you know

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baby shouldn't have health care you

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don't that badly obvious what you know

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how ridiculous that is now remember

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listening to a PBS we get PBS in

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Australia as well and remember listening

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to and I think was a street corner

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protest against the healthcare reforms

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and there was this woman who was

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literally crying about this into she

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felt her country was being taken away

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from her but yes the reforms and that

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this the precise would have precise

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words were crying and she said I don't

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want I don't want America to become

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social like Russia okay yeah okay then

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yeah be terrible through social yes now

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you're your newest record real American

491
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yeah that came out a couple of weeks ago

492
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right couple were about a month ago now

493
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yeah huh yeah I am I got I got a YouTube

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alert yes I very good but ok and if it

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works then you're right but work yeah so

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can you tell us about that record yeah

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well it's the result of its really kind

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of the result of that of that driving

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around America and and and seeing what

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was really going on and so forth and of

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course that phrase real America came up

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during the two thousand eight election

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than to as if there were any other kind

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of America instantly it sets up an

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adversarial you know kind of a

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relationship doesn't it you know well

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then what am i right and some of some of

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it actually became more current as as I

509
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worked on the album there are songs

510
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about the financial crisis and songs

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about this this neoconservative or

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Newton new conservative you know push

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had pitchfork you know peasants with

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pitchforks kind of movement that you

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know I'm glad it took me a long time to

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finish the record because because by the

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time I released it they were really in

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the news they were really happening it's

519
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I'm very proud i'm very proud of

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reckon I'll put it that way and I play a

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lot of banjo on it banjos funny gotta

522
00:22:20,750 --> 00:22:16,049
admit that well you have a have a bento

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song a banjo a joke don't you well yes

524
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there's a banjo joke in the opening song

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and when you hear that song on the

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record ants on the banjos all over that

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song so it makes the joke that much

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funnier one would hope yes that that

529
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which or how does it's out of the joke I

530
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can't do it out of context that bringing

531
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people together like bringing all kinds

532
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of people together to sing to live in

533
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perfect harmony like the strings of a

534
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banjo ok bad example that's the shelter

535
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there I got it out and where can people

536
00:22:58,879 --> 00:22:57,360
go and find you record your efforts on

537
00:23:00,680 --> 00:22:58,889
my website they're all they're all down

538
00:23:02,090 --> 00:23:00,690
Roy Zimmerman calm and then and then

539
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they're all kind of downloadable through

540
00:23:08,509 --> 00:23:06,029
itunes or CD baby at some other places

541
00:23:10,580 --> 00:23:08,519
than 20 all your songs are downloadable

542
00:23:15,379 --> 00:23:10,590
on iTunes oh yeah I think all of them

543
00:23:17,539 --> 00:23:15,389
now are up there on iTunes we're going

544
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,549
to get interesting to see it in the in

545
00:23:21,289 --> 00:23:19,440
the next few months I you know how that

546
00:23:23,210 --> 00:23:21,299
how the industry changes you know they

547
00:23:25,159 --> 00:23:23,220
say nobody buy CDs anymore and I hope

548
00:23:26,899 --> 00:23:25,169
that's not true of it and maybe true

549
00:23:28,159 --> 00:23:26,909
well Roy it's been a pleasure speaking

550
00:23:31,970 --> 00:23:28,169
to you thank you very much clearance

551
00:23:34,060 --> 00:23:31,980
thank you okay is that the kids get such

552
00:23:38,389 --> 00:23:34,070
an education

553
00:23:39,619 --> 00:23:38,399
when they shun the heretical theory of

554
00:23:40,730 --> 00:23:39,629
the development of life on Earth over

555
00:23:52,700 --> 00:23:40,740
millions of years by means of

556
00:23:56,419 --> 00:23:52,710
spontaneous genetic mutation on are you

557
00:24:00,940 --> 00:23:56,429
Canadian or more particularly are you a

558
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:00,950
Vancouver Iranian and Coover end

559
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:04,410
hey if you'll be anywhere near Vancouver

560
00:24:10,820 --> 00:24:07,850
on Saturday November 20th then listen up

561
00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:10,830
cfi presents the skeptics guide to the

562
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:13,620
universe and George Rob live in

563
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:16,650
Vancouver dr. Stephen Alabama holla Evan

564
00:24:21,170 --> 00:24:18,690
Bernstein janab Allah and special guest

565
00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:21,180
George Rob will record a live taping of

566
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:23,370
the skeptics guide universe on Saturday

567
00:24:28,910 --> 00:24:26,730
November 20th 2010 at the University of

568
00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:28,920
British Columbia's habit theatre for

569
00:24:36,820 --> 00:24:31,140
information tickets and maybe more

570
00:24:44,140 --> 00:24:36,830
information go to ww cfi canada see a

571
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:45,740
australia's most prominent

572
00:24:49,820 --> 00:24:47,490
anti-vaccination group has been stripped

573
00:24:51,620 --> 00:24:49,830
of its charitable status the Australian

574
00:24:53,330 --> 00:24:51,630
vaccination network will no longer be

575
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,340
able to make public appeals for money

576
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:55,440
after New South Wales authorities moved

577
00:24:59,390 --> 00:24:56,970
to restrict the organization's

578
00:25:01,010 --> 00:24:59,400
fundraising ability leading vaccination

579
00:25:02,690 --> 00:25:01,020
experts have welcomed the move and say

580
00:25:04,790 --> 00:25:02,700
the group's dangerous but the

581
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:04,800
vaccination networks leader has vowed to

582
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,120
fight on Jon Stewart reports the

583
00:25:13,820 --> 00:25:11,520
Australian vaccination network is run by

584
00:25:16,150 --> 00:25:13,830
Merrill dory on the north coast of New

585
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:16,160
South Wales the avn provides

586
00:25:22,460 --> 00:25:18,960
anti-vaccination information through its

587
00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:22,470
website magazines and seminars in July

588
00:25:26,570 --> 00:25:24,360
the healthcare Complaints Commission

589
00:25:28,910 --> 00:25:26,580
accused the avian of providing

590
00:25:32,270 --> 00:25:28,920
inaccurate and misleading information

591
00:25:34,430 --> 00:25:32,280
about vaccinations to parents but the

592
00:25:36,740 --> 00:25:34,440
criticism was dismissed by the group

593
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:36,750
this was not an independent

594
00:25:41,630 --> 00:25:39,210
investigation this was an investigation

595
00:25:43,730 --> 00:25:41,640
by an organization that set out to

596
00:25:46,580 --> 00:25:43,740
support government policy which is pro

597
00:25:48,860 --> 00:25:46,590
vaccination the healthcare Complaints

598
00:25:51,410 --> 00:25:48,870
Commission ordered the avian to publish

599
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,420
a statement on its website saying that

600
00:25:55,820 --> 00:25:53,760
the group is against vaccinations and

601
00:25:59,120 --> 00:25:55,830
it's information should not be read as

602
00:26:01,520 --> 00:25:59,130
medical advice but the group refused to

603
00:26:03,580 --> 00:26:01,530
publish the warning today the New South

604
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:03,590
Wales office of liquor gaming and racing

605
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:06,320
revoked the group's charitable status

606
00:26:12,020 --> 00:26:08,850
stopping it from making public appeals

607
00:26:14,210 --> 00:26:12,030
for money merrill dory says the decision

608
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,220
was politically motivated

609
00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:16,559
this is the way that they handle dissent

610
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:19,620
by shutting organizations down that

611
00:26:23,810 --> 00:26:22,080
don't agree with their policies and it's

612
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:23,820
not the sort of move that you would

613
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:26,730
expect in a democratic nation but

614
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:28,770
vaccination experts like Professor

615
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:30,960
Robert boy from westmead Children's

616
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:33,120
Hospital in Sydney say the group is

617
00:26:38,029 --> 00:26:35,450
spreading a dangerous message and

618
00:26:40,820 --> 00:26:38,039
discouraging parents from vaccinating

619
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,830
their children children on the north

620
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,720
coast of New South Wales have died of

621
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:44,880
pertussis only last year a child died

622
00:26:48,919 --> 00:26:47,010
only last year another child in New

623
00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:48,929
South Wales died of varicella or

624
00:26:52,399 --> 00:26:50,580
chickenpox and these are

625
00:26:56,029 --> 00:26:52,409
vaccine-preventable diseases it's a

626
00:26:58,190 --> 00:26:56,039
tragedy Meryl Dorie says her group will

627
00:27:00,980 --> 00:26:58,200
continue regardless of the new

628
00:27:02,899 --> 00:27:00,990
fundraising limits it may make things

629
00:27:05,210 --> 00:27:02,909
more difficult but it's not going to

630
00:27:07,070 --> 00:27:05,220
stop us we have a right to operate

631
00:27:09,409 --> 00:27:07,080
parents have a right to the information

632
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:09,419
that we offer them they are certainly a

633
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:12,090
danger to public health I've been very

634
00:27:15,260 --> 00:27:13,919
concerned for quite a long time about

635
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:15,270
the fact that the very thing they say

636
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:16,650
they're doing which is providing people

637
00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:18,840
with options with choice is a very thing

638
00:27:22,940 --> 00:27:20,760
they take away by being completely

639
00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:22,950
subjective non evidence-based and not

640
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:25,620
supportive of the truth which is that

641
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:27,809
vaccines are generally beneficial and

642
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:30,090
have some side effects by being in that

643
00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:31,919
that way they have reduced people's

644
00:27:37,580 --> 00:27:34,110
choices convince people not to vaccinate

645
00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:37,590
and children have died the avn says it

646
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:39,480
will keep going by using private

647
00:27:50,649 --> 00:27:48,240
so is anything in Canberra irrational

648
00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:50,659
say it like you mean it click the button

649
00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:53,390
I'm guessing brother Peter is brother

650
00:28:00,100 --> 00:27:56,809
Michael's brother there's nothing

651
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:00,110
magical miraculous about that we should

652
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,770
totally content yeah cuz what I most

653
00:28:10,269 --> 00:28:05,360
want to have happened in my life is to

654
00:28:12,970 --> 00:28:10,279
be laughed at by and I believe I'm

655
00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:12,980
completely legally covered I totally

656
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:20,560
rational capital the podcast for science

657
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:22,370
and skepticism in and about Canberra

658
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:25,130
whoa join us twice a month for either an

659
00:28:28,810 --> 00:28:26,690
in-depth look at issues affecting the

660
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:28,820
national capital or for an open panel

661
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:31,010
discussion with our many guests find out

662
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:43,760
more at rational capital com au we're

663
00:28:50,620 --> 00:28:47,450
here at sex borough Sydney 2010 the sex

664
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:50,630
exhibition and selling opportunity for

665
00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:52,970
many vendors but we're here for the

666
00:28:56,289 --> 00:28:54,289
skeptic zone to look at some of the

667
00:28:59,460 --> 00:28:56,299
different aspects going on here at sex

668
00:29:02,049 --> 00:28:59,470
bow maybe some of the New Age aspects or

669
00:29:06,190 --> 00:29:02,059
something not quite related to all out

670
00:29:09,850 --> 00:29:06,200
sex let's see what we find well may not

671
00:29:11,289 --> 00:29:09,860
we are surrounded by sexy look it

672
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,299
wouldn't be the first time you know I'm

673
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:13,279
a veteran of hellfire I've been to three

674
00:29:16,990 --> 00:29:15,110
of these before I've been to a few play

675
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:17,000
parties like lush that kind of thing the

676
00:29:22,779 --> 00:29:18,080
unusual thing for me is that it's

677
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:22,789
actually daylight yeah and we're not far

678
00:29:27,970 --> 00:29:25,370
from a couple of dinosaurs um sort of

679
00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:27,980
dressed up as genitalia that's right

680
00:29:32,409 --> 00:29:30,110
we've got the boob asaurus the penis

681
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:32,419
oras and penis man who we spoke to

682
00:29:35,889 --> 00:29:34,490
earlier there and was a lovely chat like

683
00:29:37,810 --> 00:29:35,899
I said he's work with the bill

684
00:29:39,850 --> 00:29:37,820
Shakespeare Company it is largely gone

685
00:29:41,450 --> 00:29:39,860
forgotten now but he's well known as the

686
00:29:44,060 --> 00:29:41,460
penis horas

687
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:44,070
yeah well I've been I assume that's

688
00:29:47,180 --> 00:29:45,450
where he work I mean you wouldn't get to

689
00:29:48,380 --> 00:29:47,190
just be penis or they wouldn't take any

690
00:29:52,669 --> 00:29:48,390
old dick off the street look there oh

691
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:52,679
come on well done may not think so will

692
00:29:57,950 --> 00:29:55,679
be look and also are you wondering where

693
00:29:59,120 --> 00:29:57,960
is dr. Rachel a looker unfortunately

694
00:30:00,620 --> 00:29:59,130
Richard would cover this kind of thing

695
00:30:02,299 --> 00:30:00,630
with dr. Reggie but he's with me today

696
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:02,309
and the good news is that I've been

697
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:03,809
called a big girl many times which is

698
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:05,010
something rate she hasn't been called

699
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:06,330
but she's kind of hot you petite but

700
00:30:09,529 --> 00:30:08,250
I've been called a big girl lot so I'm

701
00:30:10,940 --> 00:30:09,539
gonna be perfect partner Richard today

702
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:10,950
this is the perfect place view then may

703
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:12,570
not it is we're surrounded by all sorts

704
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:15,600
of interesting things to do with the sex

705
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,610
industry but what the skeptics are going

706
00:30:21,649 --> 00:30:19,200
to be constant concentrating on of

707
00:30:25,220 --> 00:30:21,659
course is the other aspects like breast

708
00:30:27,380 --> 00:30:25,230
cancer awareness or female mutilation

709
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,390
which I noticed is uh they've got an

710
00:30:31,370 --> 00:30:29,279
awareness thing down there and also a

711
00:30:34,580 --> 00:30:31,380
sex trafficking it's also happening and

712
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:34,590
also on also there is a device here that

713
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,690
you wear that improves your balance we

714
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:38,640
will be checking this out we will indeed

715
00:30:42,409 --> 00:30:40,289
now how will go on this I'm not quite

716
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,419
sure and it's basically you do the g

717
00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:44,399
rated version and i'll do the version

718
00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:47,940
that we can use some more yeah i think

719
00:30:53,180 --> 00:30:49,260
between the two of us will have quite a

720
00:30:55,159 --> 00:30:53,190
good show i think so now i'm talking

721
00:30:57,169 --> 00:30:55,169
with Tracy Bevan here from the mcgrath

722
00:30:59,180 --> 00:30:57,179
foundation Tracy what brings you to sex

723
00:31:01,130 --> 00:30:59,190
bow I'm six those raising funds for

724
00:31:02,659 --> 00:31:01,140
McGraw foundation over the past two

725
00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:02,669
years they've raised almost thirty seven

726
00:31:07,789 --> 00:31:05,100
thousand dollars which is fantastic and

727
00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:07,799
what exactly for our listeners in the

728
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:09,419
audience who may not know our

729
00:31:13,340 --> 00:31:11,250
international business what is the

730
00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:13,350
mcgrath foundation exactly so the graph

731
00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:15,240
foundations of charity of cricketer

732
00:31:18,980 --> 00:31:16,950
Glenn McGraw and his late wife Jane

733
00:31:21,380 --> 00:31:18,990
McGrath and we lost Jane to breast

734
00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:21,390
cancer on the twenty-second of jun 2008

735
00:31:25,789 --> 00:31:24,299
and since then Glenn and I and the

736
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:25,799
gravitationally raising funds to help

737
00:31:30,019 --> 00:31:27,529
other women going through breast cancer

738
00:31:31,940 --> 00:31:30,029
that's great so this is an opportunity

739
00:31:35,299 --> 00:31:31,950
for you to come out publicize what you

740
00:31:37,010 --> 00:31:35,309
do have a bit of fun very much a lot of

741
00:31:38,450 --> 00:31:37,020
fun with everybody else and help raise

742
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:38,460
more funds for this very worthwhile

743
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,380
their cause yeah we raise funds for

744
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,760
breast care nurses what equally

745
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,679
important to us is being breast aware

746
00:31:47,779 --> 00:31:45,600
somewhere else but sex fail to you know

747
00:31:49,950 --> 00:31:47,789
bring breast awareness to normal aging

748
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:49,960
looking around me I think

749
00:31:54,060 --> 00:31:52,330
Lee right yes so it's a serious it's a

750
00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:54,070
fun fun event but you know it's a

751
00:31:57,510 --> 00:31:55,630
serious message from the girl foundation

752
00:31:59,970 --> 00:31:57,520
that women of all ages need to be

753
00:32:03,389 --> 00:31:59,980
checking the breasts absolutely oh thank

754
00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:03,399
you very much thank you now i'm at

755
00:32:06,450 --> 00:32:05,020
someone pretty special here it's a will

756
00:32:12,810 --> 00:32:06,460
tell us who you are and what you've been

757
00:32:15,419 --> 00:32:12,820
doing like it sure is and to celebrate

758
00:32:17,659 --> 00:32:15,429
that fact we're with Fiona passion from

759
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:17,669
the Australian sex party well now

760
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:19,809
oversees listeners and people that are

761
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:22,480
watching this is a podcast how come

762
00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:24,610
Australia has a sex party that's done so

763
00:32:28,260 --> 00:32:26,230
well in election now apart from maybe

764
00:32:29,490 --> 00:32:28,270
Amsterdam is one of the countries in the

765
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:29,500
world have had a sex party it's been

766
00:32:32,850 --> 00:32:31,510
successful as yours has been um you know

767
00:32:35,970 --> 00:32:32,860
I think this is actually a world first

768
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:35,980
really there is a sex party in Vancouver

769
00:32:40,740 --> 00:32:38,320
but they've really just run i think in

770
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:40,750
sort of local elections where we made

771
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:43,809
our first at a4a onto onto a national

772
00:32:49,409 --> 00:32:46,960
election and yeah i i'm not sure whether

773
00:32:51,419 --> 00:32:49,419
it's because Australia is so backward

774
00:32:54,029 --> 00:32:51,429
that we did so well or if it's because

775
00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:54,039
we're so forward that we did so well did

776
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:55,510
you think was a particular unique

777
00:32:58,919 --> 00:32:57,039
election this time because of a such a

778
00:33:00,269 --> 00:32:58,929
hung parliament and people in some ways

779
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:00,279
didn't care for either party that you

780
00:33:03,149 --> 00:33:01,990
benefited from that all because you were

781
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:03,159
coming along bit but yeah we've been

782
00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:04,480
waiting for this what do you reckon it

783
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:06,190
was because it was a bit of both I mean

784
00:33:10,139 --> 00:33:07,330
I certainly there was a lot of people

785
00:33:11,730 --> 00:33:10,149
just really disaffected by the two major

786
00:33:13,769 --> 00:33:11,740
parties they weren't speaking to them

787
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:13,779
and you know we do sent to see our

788
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:15,130
politicians getting more and more

789
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:17,110
conservative and I think there was a

790
00:33:21,510 --> 00:33:19,210
real concern about that from the general

791
00:33:24,299 --> 00:33:21,520
public that they wanted to see another

792
00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:24,309
voice in Parliament now one of the

793
00:33:27,870 --> 00:33:26,169
moments for your election campaign would

794
00:33:30,690 --> 00:33:27,880
have been your interview with the

795
00:33:31,889 --> 00:33:30,700
religious party on sunrise it was a bit

796
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:31,899
of a tipping point in some ways because

797
00:33:34,620 --> 00:33:33,490
most people went to youtube and had a

798
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:34,630
look at that video a lot of people

799
00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:35,710
didn't watch it in the morning they

800
00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:37,270
weren't up but they watched it later and

801
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:38,860
the thing that I've got for most people

802
00:33:43,529 --> 00:33:41,200
was that you seem to be reasonable with

803
00:33:45,210 --> 00:33:43,539
your views and opinions where the

804
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:45,220
religious party based on the religious

805
00:33:48,930 --> 00:33:47,289
dogma was not so I know how did it feel

806
00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:48,940
to do that interview at the time nekoosa

807
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,409
really I'm it was quite a surreal

808
00:33:54,810 --> 00:33:52,480
experience certainly you know I haven't

809
00:33:56,879 --> 00:33:54,820
done a lot of national

810
00:33:58,529 --> 00:33:56,889
don't you know breakfast television and

811
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:58,539
certainly so it was a great opportunity

812
00:34:01,769 --> 00:34:00,399
for us know when it heard of us and it

813
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:01,779
was family first you were debating and

814
00:34:04,259 --> 00:34:03,250
and their main platform is what for

815
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:04,269
those people who aren't aware of them

816
00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:07,570
family first is a relic is religious

817
00:34:11,460 --> 00:34:09,849
they're totally backed into bringing

818
00:34:13,409 --> 00:34:11,470
more religion into politics and more

819
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:13,419
religion into Parliament they have a

820
00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:16,810
very conservative view you know of

821
00:34:21,809 --> 00:34:20,230
homosexuality of censorship of a whole

822
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:21,819
range of issues they're kind of the

823
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:24,490
anathem o to the Australian sex party so

824
00:34:28,530 --> 00:34:25,599
it was a really interesting review

825
00:34:30,450 --> 00:34:28,540
interview I mean she was just butter

826
00:34:32,849 --> 00:34:30,460
wouldn't melt in her mouth when you know

827
00:34:34,319 --> 00:34:32,859
before the ship before we went on and we

828
00:34:37,530 --> 00:34:34,329
were in the green room you having a nice

829
00:34:40,530 --> 00:34:37,540
chat oddly enough about spam I don't

830
00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:40,540
know why they spam in a can not fan on

831
00:34:45,180 --> 00:34:43,990
the internet and of course it was a

832
00:34:46,319 --> 00:34:45,190
little bit of a fishing about because

833
00:34:48,210 --> 00:34:46,329
you've got a lot of experience as a

834
00:34:49,770 --> 00:34:48,220
communicator and perhaps she didn't have

835
00:34:51,149 --> 00:34:49,780
so much there but what do you think was

836
00:34:53,129 --> 00:34:51,159
the main point you gotta cross in that

837
00:34:54,510 --> 00:34:53,139
debate that resonated with people look i

838
00:34:56,460 --> 00:34:54,520
think you're right i think a lot of

839
00:34:58,890 --> 00:34:56,470
people went well it's a really radical

840
00:35:00,540 --> 00:34:58,900
name but they actually seem like quite a

841
00:35:02,190 --> 00:35:00,550
sensible party well that's the kind of

842
00:35:03,540 --> 00:35:02,200
thing the Americans would go wipe you've

843
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:03,550
called yourself the sex party because

844
00:35:06,030 --> 00:35:05,050
over there they would have libertarians

845
00:35:07,290 --> 00:35:06,040
or something like that they wouldn't

846
00:35:08,609 --> 00:35:07,300
want to use the word sex because that

847
00:35:11,250 --> 00:35:08,619
would scare the American licked it off

848
00:35:12,809 --> 00:35:11,260
not so here ya know exactly and i think

849
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,819
you know i mean still people are scared

850
00:35:16,530 --> 00:35:14,560
off by the name but i certainly feel

851
00:35:18,359 --> 00:35:16,540
that we got over a quarter of a million

852
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:18,369
votes and you know people are saying

853
00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:19,810
will you change your name i think we

854
00:35:23,609 --> 00:35:20,950
just got a quarter of a million votes

855
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:23,619
why would we show your name and while

856
00:35:30,059 --> 00:35:28,000
people still are really up you know kind

857
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:30,069
of uptight about the word sex i think

858
00:35:34,260 --> 00:35:31,930
that's actually a greater reason for us

859
00:35:36,030 --> 00:35:34,270
to keep being the australian sex party

860
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:36,040
and what is going to be your principal

861
00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:38,290
issue to use the julia gillard going

862
00:35:41,730 --> 00:35:39,369
forward what's going to be your

863
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,740
principal issue that you really push I

864
00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:43,599
think fundamentally we're a civil

865
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:46,380
liberties party and there just isn't a

866
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:48,880
strong civil libertarian party out there

867
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:51,520
now and the Greens have really kind of

868
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:53,530
become they've joined the big boys and

869
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:55,599
joining the big boys has a price to pay

870
00:35:59,130 --> 00:35:57,040
and that that includes a lot of

871
00:36:00,359 --> 00:35:59,140
compromises although if you had been

872
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:00,369
offered if you had the bounce of power

873
00:36:02,579 --> 00:36:01,450
and you've been offered you would have

874
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:02,589
taken because that means you could have

875
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:04,450
put your agenda to the forward well

876
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:06,609
no I'm not criticizing the greens I

877
00:36:10,410 --> 00:36:07,599
think they you know they've done

878
00:36:11,819 --> 00:36:10,420
phenomenally well and yeah we're just

879
00:36:14,370 --> 00:36:11,829
we're just probably feeling in a hole

880
00:36:16,349 --> 00:36:14,380
that that they have moved from yo so

881
00:36:18,450 --> 00:36:16,359
we're filling that gap but yes it

882
00:36:20,190 --> 00:36:18,460
certainly will be around censorship it

883
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:20,200
will be getting religion out of politics

884
00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:22,210
and getting government out of people's

885
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:24,310
lives and out of businesses I mean we

886
00:36:28,890 --> 00:36:25,930
come from a small business background

887
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,900
rather than a part of activist radical

888
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:30,400
background and what's the message to the

889
00:36:34,530 --> 00:36:31,510
people that like feeling a bit

890
00:36:38,099 --> 00:36:34,540
uncomfortable with the sex party have a

891
00:36:39,870 --> 00:36:38,109
look at our policies really you know and

892
00:36:42,210 --> 00:36:39,880
it's X is on every single government

893
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:42,220
form that you fill out it's about gender

894
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:44,530
it's not just about what you do in the

895
00:36:48,420 --> 00:36:47,050
bedroom and you know frankly we wouldn't

896
00:36:50,220 --> 00:36:48,430
be here we wouldn't be discussing

897
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:50,230
population control a whole range of

898
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:54,970
issues if it wasn't for sex and I'm at

899
00:36:59,010 --> 00:36:56,530
the booth of the breast cancer support

900
00:37:01,230 --> 00:36:59,020
with Mary on isn't it yeah how are you

901
00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:01,240
I'm very well thank you I'm so glad that

902
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:03,940
people like you are here at sex boat and

903
00:37:07,890 --> 00:37:05,770
obviously you're interested in our

904
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:07,900
breast cancer support that's correct

905
00:37:11,579 --> 00:37:09,910
we're here today to our raise awareness

906
00:37:12,990 --> 00:37:11,589
and donations for breast cancer so we

907
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:13,000
have a range of products that were

908
00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:14,770
specifically designed for the cause

909
00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:17,470
that's the Texan where's your foundation

910
00:37:21,059 --> 00:37:19,390
based where you like them we actually a

911
00:37:23,309 --> 00:37:21,069
national foundation our foundation is

912
00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:23,319
dragons abreast Australia and we have

913
00:37:27,540 --> 00:37:25,720
offices all across the country and if

914
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:27,550
our listeners would like to find out a

915
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:29,650
little bit about the good work you do

916
00:37:33,450 --> 00:37:31,810
what's the website they can visit ok so

917
00:37:35,940 --> 00:37:33,460
we have two website one is Breast Cancer

918
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:35,950
Support comdur you very easy and the

919
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:37,359
other one is the foundation side which

920
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:39,310
is dragons abreast australia.com today

921
00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:41,710
you how I encourage everybody to have

922
00:37:45,420 --> 00:37:43,270
look at those websites and where are you

923
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:45,430
from by the way originally from friends

924
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:47,290
and by supporting the cars here in

925
00:37:57,089 --> 00:37:49,210
Australia well thank you very much thank

926
00:37:59,819 --> 00:37:57,099
you so I'm here at the stand of glitter

927
00:38:02,190 --> 00:37:59,829
8 what are you doing here at six mo we

928
00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:02,200
doing we collecting money for the people

929
00:38:08,180 --> 00:38:05,640
in Africa to get their litter I'd

930
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:08,190
restore again and

931
00:38:13,250 --> 00:38:11,130
the doctors and they are all working for

932
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:13,260
nothing and there's a clinic there now

933
00:38:18,140 --> 00:38:15,450
for the people to have the clitoral

934
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:18,150
dress thought and of course we asking

935
00:38:22,609 --> 00:38:20,160
for donations to help the women out in

936
00:38:24,740 --> 00:38:22,619
Africa and I notice also that you're

937
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:24,750
part of the the Raelians it's correct

938
00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:27,210
yes with their alien Northman's yeah and

939
00:38:31,849 --> 00:38:29,160
that's that the movement who believed

940
00:38:35,059 --> 00:38:31,859
that humans were clones from aliens

941
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:35,069
attacked here yet sides any aliens came

942
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:38,730
and created a human being Sanders yeah i

943
00:38:45,579 --> 00:38:42,240
see well all the best with your your

944
00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:45,589
charitable works thank you yes thank you

945
00:38:50,809 --> 00:38:48,750
and we're here these psychic readers

946
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:50,819
booth end is about oh I don't know maybe

947
00:38:56,359 --> 00:38:53,730
15 table set up with psychics ready to

948
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:56,369
go and we're speaking with Regina hello

949
00:39:01,250 --> 00:38:58,680
Regina is this your first time for the

950
00:39:04,190 --> 00:39:01,260
psychics to come to sex oh no I start

951
00:39:06,290 --> 00:39:04,200
this on the beginning really yes really

952
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:06,300
nice ago mhm it's been going that long

953
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:10,530
well so I noticed it you're right along

954
00:39:14,059 --> 00:39:12,569
here sort of mixed up with everything

955
00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:14,069
else you often get a lot of people

956
00:39:20,089 --> 00:39:16,200
coming on for psychic readings yes a lot

957
00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:20,099
yeah couples mostly ice about the single

958
00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:22,500
people as well yeah you've got some of

959
00:39:28,940 --> 00:39:25,500
Australia's leading psychics here again

960
00:39:31,819 --> 00:39:28,950
yes I do they come from the gold coast

961
00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:31,829
from Brisbane from melbourne from

962
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:35,700
everywhere yeah I see and some oh I see

963
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:37,650
that their photographs are psf people

964
00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:39,690
can call ker psychic there is read a

965
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:42,420
little bit about them well I will be

966
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:43,890
interesting to see how many people come

967
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:46,140
along and take advantage of your psychic

968
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,569
readings today oh I think will be very

969
00:39:51,780 --> 00:39:50,640
popular in the beginning they just look

970
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:51,790
around and then they

971
00:39:56,010 --> 00:39:54,250
oh yeah give them a brochure then

972
00:39:57,630 --> 00:39:56,020
they'll come back here okay well thank

973
00:40:01,800 --> 00:39:57,640
you very much my pleasure thank you

974
00:40:04,860 --> 00:40:01,810
thank you I'm here the he can stand the

975
00:40:06,660 --> 00:40:04,870
booth here at sexpo 2010 about to find

976
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:06,670
out what it's all about what is he can

977
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:09,760
and I'm with riding riding what is e Kim

978
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:11,710
you can what they do they do power bands

979
00:40:15,870 --> 00:40:13,450
it's designed to improve your balance

980
00:40:17,130 --> 00:40:15,880
flexibility endurance and strength it

981
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:17,140
does it by sending the sending

982
00:40:20,190 --> 00:40:18,970
frequencies from these discs so your

983
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:20,200
body's frequency get your body's

984
00:40:23,550 --> 00:40:22,090
frequencies to the center core which

985
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:23,560
everything you do comes with will call

986
00:40:26,610 --> 00:40:25,090
so I guess your body's frequency the

987
00:40:28,770 --> 00:40:26,620
core the way we should be the

988
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:28,780
frequencies of what hole rammed is

989
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:30,880
Holograms send frequencies holograms

990
00:40:34,050 --> 00:40:32,440
send frequencies oh yeah so they send

991
00:40:36,210 --> 00:40:34,060
frequencies to your body's frequency oh

992
00:40:37,950 --> 00:40:36,220
I know you might straighten you out they

993
00:40:39,890 --> 00:40:37,960
straighten you up yep I see and I saw

994
00:40:42,270 --> 00:40:39,900
you're doing a practical demonstration

995
00:40:45,550 --> 00:40:42,280
on you yeah let's give it a go let's

996
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:49,030
compete together and I was a boy I'm

997
00:40:51,970 --> 00:40:50,210
gonna push the pressure on your elbow

998
00:40:54,250 --> 00:40:51,980
you've got twice as strong as you can to

999
00:40:55,660 --> 00:40:54,260
throws you can just testing it out so

1000
00:40:57,499 --> 00:40:55,670
again surely you're right they go there

1001
00:41:02,200 --> 00:40:57,509
on one foot

1002
00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:04,810
what is left in the fragrances

1003
00:41:17,219 --> 00:41:12,689
lift insects right thing hold on to the

1004
00:41:24,980 --> 00:41:17,229
aching back one leg up next time thing

1005
00:41:24,990 --> 00:41:29,339
hopefully that is amazing internet

1006
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:33,829
so with the ikan band on with its

1007
00:41:39,450 --> 00:41:36,970
hologram hologram discs oh I see this

1008
00:41:41,549 --> 00:41:39,460
there are two similar size is actually

1009
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:41,559
full yep so it's two on each side of the

1010
00:41:46,349 --> 00:41:44,319
band now I've seen something called the

1011
00:41:48,059 --> 00:41:46,359
power band is this a different product

1012
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:48,069
others very cool cowbell it's the

1013
00:41:51,390 --> 00:41:49,359
difference between us an FML balance

1014
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,400
here yep we've got four discs they've

1015
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:53,440
got to obviously twice as strong also

1016
00:41:56,430 --> 00:41:54,970
our bands are a lot stronger their

1017
00:41:57,630 --> 00:41:56,440
surgical grade silicon so they won't

1018
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,640
break if they don't send it back to us

1019
00:42:02,309 --> 00:41:59,920
will avenge then you would you nubian

1020
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:02,319
straight back out and the research

1021
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:04,210
that's gone into making this technology

1022
00:42:07,170 --> 00:42:05,529
do you know anything about the science

1023
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:07,180
behind it are the science behind it is

1024
00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:08,710
being studied right now it started off

1025
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:10,630
in the US if she's come to Australia and

1026
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:11,529
that's why we're getting all the sports

1027
00:42:14,609 --> 00:42:13,119
tiles on board everybody swears why

1028
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:14,619
don't we got feels arthritis premium we

1029
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:15,729
got nine and ten-year-old kids playing

1030
00:42:18,749 --> 00:42:17,410
sport with him we got tradies wearing

1031
00:42:20,339 --> 00:42:18,759
them even behind a computer because you

1032
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:20,349
get backache a lot of people like that

1033
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:21,970
are wearing them what a remarkable

1034
00:42:29,849 --> 00:42:24,609
product almost too good to be true the

1035
00:42:32,819 --> 00:42:29,859
ikan ban thank you thank you and we're

1036
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:32,829
here at expo 2010 and where Italy let me

1037
00:42:38,579 --> 00:42:35,440
have a look yes it's the Bionic balance

1038
00:42:40,979 --> 00:42:38,589
and we're with rosette rosette hello

1039
00:42:44,279 --> 00:42:40,989
rosette tell me what is Bionic balanced

1040
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:44,289
by only balance but it's actually what

1041
00:42:48,749 --> 00:42:46,210
I'm wearing now I can come in a bracelet

1042
00:42:51,539 --> 00:42:48,759
and a necklace yes it's made out of two

1043
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:51,549
elements which is your man um a titanium

1044
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:53,680
and what a judge when you put it on your

1045
00:42:56,969 --> 00:42:55,599
body it helps you like to circulate

1046
00:42:58,859 --> 00:42:56,979
better and you know when you have a

1047
00:43:02,759 --> 00:42:58,869
better circulation it gives you better

1048
00:43:03,930 --> 00:43:02,769
balance slice pain a lot of other things

1049
00:43:06,060 --> 00:43:03,940
that I see you

1050
00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:06,070
how does how does this help your

1051
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:09,430
circulation what does it do like I said

1052
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:11,050
it's made out of germanium a titanium

1053
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:13,690
those two elements a very good conduct

1054
00:43:19,290 --> 00:43:17,050
good conductor of electricity so what do

1055
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:19,300
you put on your body helps you by up by

1056
00:43:23,580 --> 00:43:21,970
our electrical balance and when you put

1057
00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:23,590
it on it it helps your blood to

1058
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,230
circulate better and that's when how it

1059
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:28,480
works I see and you were giving

1060
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:30,880
demonstrations just a moment ago ki have

1061
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:36,640
a demonstration time yes here we go well

1062
00:43:41,070 --> 00:43:39,040
I just tried be Bionic balance and

1063
00:43:42,570 --> 00:43:41,080
goodness me I was tipping off balance

1064
00:43:44,310 --> 00:43:42,580
when I didn't have it on and when I had

1065
00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:44,320
it on I was having a little bit better

1066
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:46,900
balance well that's just remarkable and

1067
00:43:52,290 --> 00:43:48,640
thank you very much you're welcome thank

1068
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:52,300
you look up we're just here in the VIP

1069
00:43:58,650 --> 00:43:56,010
bar and the VIP Bauer is next to the

1070
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,660
porn star stage now I mentioned you

1071
00:44:02,580 --> 00:44:00,880
don't do too many skeptics on podcasts

1072
00:44:05,250 --> 00:44:02,590
near the porn star stage do you Richard

1073
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:05,260
not anymore may not not anymore yeah I

1074
00:44:08,610 --> 00:44:07,210
looked at that there um there was a few

1075
00:44:10,140 --> 00:44:08,620
people that asked me about dr. ratio

1076
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,150
said no she doesn't do that work anymore

1077
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since you went to cell biology and they

1078
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:13,480
said I'll is that what she's calling it

1079
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:16,570
these days you expect me to comment

1080
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:20,410
about that but um something oh hang on I

1081
00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:22,770
think I thought to write you now

1082
00:44:27,590 --> 00:44:25,980
yep it up again I've seen your eyes open

1083
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:27,600
a few times Richard him you are very

1084
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:29,400
skeptical but your eyes were opening in

1085
00:44:33,140 --> 00:44:31,530
a in almost religious fashion in fact I

1086
00:44:34,460 --> 00:44:33,150
heard you say oh my god at one stage and

1087
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:34,470
I know you're not a very religious man

1088
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:36,930
well see if I crane my neck a little bit

1089
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:38,850
man out I can look around this partition

1090
00:44:46,010 --> 00:44:41,310
and I can see one of the the porn stars

1091
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:46,020
he loaded that's katsumi katsumi having

1092
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:48,000
photographs yes and she's bearing our

1093
00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:50,010
breasts that she's bearing she's bearing

1094
00:44:53,420 --> 00:44:51,660
her breasts and people are having their

1095
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,430
their photo taken with it which is a

1096
00:44:57,380 --> 00:44:55,200
part of what you do is a porn star

1097
00:44:58,310 --> 00:44:57,390
issues any other wrong table man well

1098
00:45:00,380 --> 00:44:58,320
we're just sitting in the wrong so we're

1099
00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:00,390
by the way we are in the VIP section and

1100
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:02,760
it's again not really that's not very

1101
00:45:06,940 --> 00:45:04,530
often that Richard Saunders is seen in

1102
00:45:09,140 --> 00:45:06,950
the VIP section at and our adult expo

1103
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:09,150
and now I can count the number of times

1104
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:11,490
on one finger but not since these days

1105
00:45:14,750 --> 00:45:13,410
that ron jeremy anyway what do you

1106
00:45:17,450 --> 00:45:14,760
think's been the most interesting booth

1107
00:45:20,270 --> 00:45:17,460
would been to so far now i must admit i

1108
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:20,280
think i'd really like the breast cancer

1109
00:45:25,370 --> 00:45:23,250
awareness people i mean all the other

1110
00:45:27,140 --> 00:45:25,380
stuff you expect of course but it's good

1111
00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:27,150
to see people out here doing really

1112
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:28,680
great work for breast cancer and

1113
00:45:33,260 --> 00:45:30,960
research and that sort of thing so three

1114
00:45:34,490 --> 00:45:33,270
cheers for them yes and I'm sure they

1115
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:34,500
will be raising lots of money it was

1116
00:45:37,220 --> 00:45:36,000
great to talk to Fiona Patten to and

1117
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:37,230
hear a bit about the Australian sex

1118
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,330
party absolutely are we spoken to her

1119
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:41,520
before on the skeptics and so she's

1120
00:45:45,140 --> 00:45:43,170
doing a good job looking speaking of

1121
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:45,150
doing a good job we'll just have to get

1122
00:45:48,050 --> 00:45:46,770
in the queue for katsumi in mobile I'll

1123
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:48,060
talk to you later I don't know I don't

1124
00:45:50,270 --> 00:45:49,050
know what you're doing Richard I'm just

1125
00:46:04,260 --> 00:45:50,280
going to join that line over there all

1126
00:46:09,780 --> 00:46:07,510
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00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:09,790
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1130
00:46:18,820 --> 00:46:17,000
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1138
00:46:44,110 --> 00:46:40,610
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1139
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1144
00:47:13,490 --> 00:47:10,950
zone i think Maynard and i have just

1145
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,500
about recovered from sexpo i'll be

1146
00:47:19,339 --> 00:47:15,359
putting up the video of some of that

1147
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report i did from Sexpo on the the feed

1148
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pretty soon so you can actually see me

1149
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:24,000
doing those tests or taking part in

1150
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:26,130
those tests and might give you a better

1151
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understanding another thank you to those

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1162
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1163
00:48:00,500 --> 00:47:58,500
next week's show though this is Richard

1164
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:00,510
Saunders signing off from Sydney

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00:48:10,370 --> 00:48:06,089
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